unemployment in michigan is 9%. you know, across the country, we've got the number earlier today 7.7%. you could argue the second number you see on the screen now. detroit's unemployment rate, 18.9%. >> right. bill: detroit's population is at its lowest level in more than 100 years. that is really a story you could follow throughout the entire rust belt. detroit population last year, 706,000. you know what it was in 1950? 1.8 million. rick snyder is trying to do try to draw some of this business back here and get numbers back up. matt that goes to the point you were making there. that union worker we just heard, the woman, african-american woman, what this means you can work alongside a union member and not pay union dues and still get the benefits of the union. now, steve, is she right? >> no, she's wrong. look, i think it is in the first amendment of our constitution says the right of association, right? you have the right to associate with a union if you want to but, right of association also means you have the r